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"message": "+1\n\nTo name it Sustainability, makes me think \"Project Sustainability\", and not \"Environmental Sustainability\". I personally like \"Environmental Sustainability\", but that also doesn\u0027t have a direct name to align around. \"Green Computing\" perhaps?",
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"message": "s/negative/climate/ ? otherwise we need to explain what all things these \u0027negative environmental impact\u0027 include.",
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"message": "+1. I think we *actually* should enumerate the high level challenges, and leave it slightly open-ended.\n\n\"seeks to improve the energy efficiency, energy management, and related environmental impact of cloud computing.\"",
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"message": "Not to be nitpicky, but I think this would be more readable:\n\n The Sustainability SIG seeks to reduce the overall negative environmental\n impact of cloud computing by improving its efficiency and enabling guardrails.\n The SIG would also increase the visibility of the changes done by\n promoting them in the community.\n\nWDYT?",
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"message": "also, can we add whether it will target the technical work as part of software/deployment/use-case or it is cultural shift/visibility to OpenStack as community?",
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"message": "IMHO, there are two goals to achieve as a mission for this SIG :\n- provide recommendations by documenting some ways how to have less environmental impact\n- work as a community how to find and provide new ways for OpenInfra (and OpenStack) how to have less impact",
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"message": "\u003e IMHO, there are two goals to achieve as a mission for this SIG :\n\u003e - provide recommendations by documenting some ways how to have less environmental impact\n\u003e - work as a community how to find and provide new ways for OpenInfra (and OpenStack) how to have less impact\n\nSo, I\u0027m kind of +1 on a wide scope of OpenInfra, but an OpenStack SIG is not necessarily the right cross-community mechanism. Granted, we need to start somewhere, and we cannot \"boil the ocean\" upfront.\n\nOne thing we should keep in mind, we identified a number of different avenues including visibility of the topic. Some of it is technical, some of it is spreading knowledge. Some of it is highly regional knowledge which may be applicable. The entire landscape creates a matrix of sorts. Spreading that knowledge is as important as writing and documenting features.",
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"message": "I agree there will be things that will reach further than just OpenStack. I think this is a good place to start though, and as we discover ways to push this out to other OpenInfra projects, we can bring that to the board and other community managers to push into those projects?",
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"message": "We have the ways for cross Open Infra projects via creating the \u0027working group\u0027. I do not see any challenges to propose it to the board and start the effort from there. If working group is not suited for any reason then I think its time to creat some way to do such cross-project things.\n\nMy concern and the challenges by starting the OpenStack SIG is that there are high chances that this effort will end up limited to OpenStack only even though we will target to spread this to all OpenInfra projects. Brining to Board to push it in other projects is nothing but \"let\u0027s create a working group and progress\". That is why I feel let\u0027s start it from global way instead of creating OpenStack SIG now and later converting the same to OpenInfra WG.",
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